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CV Joint Polishing 101

      by T Kirkwood Last Update: 09/08/2002

This is a preview release. If you see any problems please let me know. tkirkwood@dune-buggy.com

Why polish your CVs? 

These are almost new. Nuff said?

Close up of new inner starClose up of outer race

Polishing will give you longer life and hopefully allow for more CV joint travel before they start to click, bind, and break.

Close up of 930 outer CV carrierThis new Porsche 930 CV had less than 2 thousand miles on it. The shiny wear surface you see in the center triangle and in the left race is from the cage and ball rubbing during use. Take a close look at the right race. The lines that run up and down it are 'scars' from the initial machining process. You will also notice some radial marks that appear to be put there in a final finishing process by a stone of some kind. On my CVs, only about every other race had this other finishing cut and my guess is that they use a different machine that makes up for some of the initial production tolerances. In either case though the surfaces are not smooth and the edges of the race will cut into the ball and cause binding at higher angles. If you use old CVs, take a close look at your races. They will probably have a noticeable wear mark where the ball spent most of it's running life. When you put that CV on an off road car that uses more travel you are then asking the balls to slide over that wear point. That could cause binding, clicking and broken cages. Hence it's a good idea to polish that out or better yet, use a new one.

This CV star came off a 1980 Vanagon. Notice the normal wear marks on the left side and the pitting in the center of the picture. Depending on the degree of the pitting you may or may not be able to polish it out. This one is probably better off as a spare.

 

 

 

Note: This page outlines the process of polishing CVs by hand. While free hand polishing is frequently used by off roaders it could introduce uniformity errors. A dedicated CV machine would be the best way to polish CVs. If you do choose to polish them by hand then one way to check your races for uniformity is to paint the races with machinist dye and temporarily install them on the vehicle and rotate the tires by hand. In any case, proceed at your own risk!

 

The Tools:

Standard Abrasives porting and polishing kitsHere's the tools I used. The die grinder is a $20 cheapie that has come in very handy over the years. The two cartridge kits were bought from Summit Racing. I purchased the two kits initially to port and polish a few cylinder heads. The left kit contains a bunch of smaller rolls and 2 mandrels for about $25. The right kit contains larger rolls, 2 flapper wheels, 2 stones and 4 buffing brushes for about $35. A less expensive way is to just buy a couple mandrels and some sanding rolls with various grit surfaces (80 and 120 grit). 

Another very important lesson I learned is to watch your grinder speed and watch for wobbles in the mandrel. The mandrels are relatively thin and can bend. At higher speeds it is enough to break off the end of the steel mandrel at which point it will become a projectile and if your are lucky it will only hit your chest.  Important: Always wear a face shield and safety glasses. Also use a set of gloves because the sanding rolls do tend to come apart and will hit your fingers.

 

Before you proceed:

When you remove your axles always mark them so you know which side they were on and which way they spin. After use, they will have a natural twist to them. If you put them on backwards, they will easily un-twist the opposite way and could break from fatigue. (The same thing goes for torsion bars)

Mark the side and direction of your axles

Also, CVs are machined to a very close tolerance and the moving parts on used CVs will develop their own wear pattern depending on fluctuations in those tolerances. When you take an old CV apart keep track of the direction it rotates on the vehicle, it's location, the exact rotation (clocking) of each part and the location of each ball. Put them back together in the exact same way they came apart unless you have good reason not to. Some people will flip (rotate) worn CVs so that they will run backwards and wear on the other side of the race. 

 

Polishing the CV:

Almost finished polishing 930 CV jointHere is an almost finished polishing job. I used two different cartridge rolls - an 80 and a 120. (You may want to just use the 120 roll) What I have found to be the easiest way is to first clean up the surface in the very center where the cage rubs (#1). Then I went around the CV and took the edge off the curved surface at the top and bottom of the CV ball race (#2). The reason I recommend doing that is so that when you polish the race surface the sanding cartridge will be less likely to catch on the sharp edge and shred your roll. Then lightly radius the edges of the races (#3). The final step is to polish out the race surface and make sure the edges are still radiused (#4).  Please note that the race surface on the outer cage is not round. It is an arch so only remove as much material as it takes to get a smooth surface. Also work slowly so that you don't overheat the race and take away the surface hardening.

 

Below are the inner stars. You can see the same roughness and grinding marks as with the outer carrier. I used the same method as the outer carrier and started with the curved surface first and finished with the ball race.
Before and after polishing 930 CV stars
Heavy duty Transform 930 CV cageHere is a heavy duty 930 cage as it came from  Transform. It was already deburred and radiused around the edges of the ball windows. I used the 120 grit sanding roll to further lightly clean up the machine marks on the top and bottom surfaces where the ball slides back and forth and then very slightly on the left and right side of the window. Don't go overboard, the tolerances need to be tight here. Some people will go one step further and have the cage shot-peened. I've also heard of people who have used cryogenically stabilized aviation steel and a lower hardness rating. Doing that will increase the wear rate but it will also help keep them from shattering.
The finished product is as smooth as butter and the CV can now rotate farther before it binds. Don't go too far with the polishing. I stopped at the point where the original machining marks were just starting to disappear. Finished polishing of 930 star and carrier

How do the CVs go back together?

This is very important. Look at the picture to the right. The surface on the inner star where the races are far apart  line up with the outer carrier where the races are close together. It is easy to put them together wrong in which case you may have a hard time getting them back apart. The outer carrier may be machined smaller on one side. The smaller side is bolted towards the bell. If the outer carrier just has a slot machined in it, then put that towards the bell. The flat/smooth part of the inner star faces the retaining clip. The chamfer on the inner star splines goes on the inside. 

Once you put it all back together, everything should move smoothly. Any surface rust or grit will cause binding. 

Remember to mount the CVs on the axle so they rotate in the original direction, unless you have a good reason to do otherwise.

Wide race matches up to thin race.

Chamfer on star (#1) is on inside. Smaller part of carrier (#2) is on outside of axle assembly towards flanges The ball cage may have two distinct edges. The side with the flat edge goes towards the flange. If there's a groove on the outer carrier, then that is typically placed toward the flanges.

What kind of grease should I use on CV joints?

CJ joints are under severely high stress and require special grease if you want them to live a full life. Wheel bearing grease will NOT work ... Don't even try! Moly Sulfide based grease is good for most applications. For race use or possibly even long high speed trips at high CV angles, consider using a special racing grease so you don't overheat your CVs and axles. Belray CV grease for use in a grease  gun can be bought at McKenzie's or Kartek. Redline makes a good synthetic CV grease called CV-2 with red moly. It can be bought at www.summitracing.com  Part # RED-80402.  A grease gun with a needle attachment helps put the grease into the cavities. Be careful, some of the greases contain lead so wear gloves and don't get it on your clothes. I don't think you want that stuff to get into your septic system or your body.

 

Other things I have noticed: I looked very closely at my 930 CVs and one stock bug CV. At higher angles, only 3 of the 6 balls are in contact with the driving surface. The other 3 balls are pushed into the trailing surface. I believe that is the main cause of cage failures in more powerful cars when they are run at higher angles. (It makes sense to me at least but I have no data to back that up.)

Do CVs need to be broken in?

I would think that it would be good to break them in. In an off road car we are basically taking a street part and asking it to take more power and more angle. The production tolerances are so tight that even a minor difference will cause the parts to not make the contact in the same way that the engineered intended. Breaking in a CV would allow it to wear to it's sweet spot . However I could not find any info on breaking in a CV on the web.  I have thought of packing them with valve grinding paste after polishing and then running them at higher than normal angles under a light load. I have not tried it though. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't but I wouldn't test it on expensive CVs.

John R writes: I've heard of people breaking in new CVs by packing them full of rubbing compound, jacking the cars up so the suspension droops, and letting it idle in 2nd or 3rd gear for 30-40 minutes. Supposedly it works really well, gets all the parts seated together, and deburred.

Martin in Socal writes:  years ago, we were told by the CV guru how to do it, polish cage and star, re-heat treat for surface hardness. go to bearing supply house and get the next size smaller ball and break them in, then return to regular size ball and run then 'till they get noisy, then go to next ball size up. he said about .02" for the different ball sizes.


The above info is how I did it. I am not a CV expert by any stretch of the imagination. If anyone has any other info, corrections, or differences of opinion please email me at: tkirkwood@dune-buggy.com  Also, I would appreciate any photos you may have of worn CV races.


Some other CV Info:

Polishing the CV joints

air cooled volkswagen -  Some tips and tricks on doing CV Joint's

Thing Tech - 930 Replacements

Tom's VW Pages - CV Joint Maintenance

VW-manual - Page 7, 8, 9 has photos of CV maintenance

CV Joint Maintenance - shows pictures of pitting

General CV info:

Counter Pro Course 12

CONSTANT VELOCITY JOINTS & FWD SHAFTS, PART 1

CV JOINTS, PART 2 SERVICE & REPAIR

CV JOINT GRINDING NOT A MATTER OF IF, BUT HOW

 

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